[–]jrriojase 10Answer Link0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children). I use word legitimate loosely here, but I'm sure you understand my meaning. Some of these questions may be answered. It actually makes sense, especially when you realize the German Emperor was known as the Kaiser. If they pronounce it Kaiser, there's some legion / legion past within them. Fallout probably chose to use this pronunciation in order to distance it from our culture and offer up something that invoked the barbarism of a past age. Julius or Caligula, he just took the family name and made it his own) and half the characters call him See-zer... while the other half pronounce it Kai-Sahr. The group included Follower Edward Sallow, who met with the New Canaanite missionary Joshua Graham, a specialist in tribal dialects. It's a bit tricky for English speakers because we are so used to an eee sound there. See-zer would be correct as an English word, but as not as a Latin word, [–]revsehi 10Answer Link0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (0 children). The Legion is an ultra-reactionary, utilitarian slave army supported by … The members … To nominate someone else as a Quality Contributor, message the mods. It is also useful to look at Greek writers during Late Antiquity, especially geographers and historians. Right? More complete: http://www.ai.uga.edu/mc/latinpro.pdf, [–]XenophonTheAthenianLate Republic and Roman Civil Wars 20Answer Link1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children). You will only get one warning. The i in Julius is a light syllable, so it goes on Jul. Enduring protectron is correct; Kae-sar is the Latin pronunciation of Caesar, as Cs in latin are all "hard". This just makes me even more conflicted, on the one hand they are trying to uphold things from ancient Rome, which I love, but on the other hand they are a band of slavers. This "Church Latin" is based on Italian, which would pronounce the soft C's, G's, J's, and pronounced the U, V, and W (which the Romans never had) as individual letters, instead of pronouncing them all with a W sound (see the Latin, I wish/desire: Volo). Fallout New Vegas is virtually everything I want from an RPG ending, starting from the climatic last mission. I'm sure Celebreth realised that I was referring to BCE, but I forgot to make that explicit for the sake of non-specialist readers: thank you for adding the clarification. Gameplay: Fallout New Vegas … The Think-Tanks are the main antagonistic faction of Old World Blues, the third expansion for Fallout: New Vegas. Often with modern Latin, the pronunciation is based off of the Latin used by the Catholic Church until Vatican II in the 1960s. They consist of a team of scientists who were working at a top–secret experimental facility hidden inside a mountain called Big Mountain (a.k.a. Kinda sorta, I get lost in the whole thing where Charlemagne gets crowned Emperor and because of that, the Franks are then considered the successors to the Roman Empire. [–]sje46 20Answer Link1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children), Vowels: Caesar’s Legion are New Vegas’ big addition to the Fallout lore. [–]Bezant 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (10 children). [–]talondeargLate Antique Christianity 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (2 children). Mostly for Q&A. ", (Note- "sorry" might be the wrong word to use as an example there ;) People pronounce that word differently wherever you go :D Could be SAHree or SOREee or SOHree or....you get the drift ;) ), [–]sje46 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children), was because the letter G wasn't introduced until the late 4th or mid-3rd century. Everything About Fiction You Never Wanted to Know. Then I played Fallout: New Vegas, and there's a character called Caesar (not any particular one, e.g. Who had access to the Library of Alexandria? Modern Latin studies almost always teach proper pronunciation in the Roman style, which gives a more true to culture reading of literature, and simplifies the transliteration process immensely. Also: I did search for Caesar, and there were 148 results, but saw no question of pronunciation. Funnily enough, if you have low intelligence you can reply "Seizure's Luncheon" when the Follower in Helios One asks if you're with the NCR, Legion, or Neither. As a point of interest, the hebrew pronunciation is almost exactly that: Yu-li-us Kei-sar (with the emphasis on the sar). how do we know how ancient languages were pronounced? What does "ave" mean and why is it pronounced "ah-way". Edward Sallow was born in 2226 as an NCR citizen. Legionaries who knew him before the Legion, as well as most other wastelanders, pronounce it as the Anglicized /ˈsiːzər/. quod autem Jordan... hanc scripturae mutationem eidem, qui Z e litteris Latinis abstulit, Appio Claudio vindicare voluit, hoc necessarium non est. I was brought up pronouncing the name Caesar as "See-Sir". So perhaps in future people will be able to say the same about modern English? i - zit (Plus, I can always use more reading material ;) ), [–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago* (0 children), There are two termini for the introduction of G. One is an ascription to Spurius Carvilius, in Terentius Scaurus; Carvilius ran a scribal school in the mid-3rd century, and is on page 3 of the Grammaticae Romanae fragmenta. Knowledge can be lost! What will our heroine do? However, in contemporary (That is, ancient) Latin, (as you said the game explained) "harder" sounds were used - such as your "Kai-Sahr" or "Kai-us" (or "Kay-us" - we're talking about "Gaius" there) or "Mah-KE-Donya." I hope that helps somewhat. [–]BrutalJones 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children), [–]HaroldSax 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children). I've played the game quite a bit, and something you have to take into account is that those who respect him pronounce it with a 'k' sound, while those who don't pronounce it like everyone else would. In fact, the Russian word 'tsar' or 'czar' is also derived from the Latin 'caesar', which goes to show you how strong the Roman influence was, and how far it spread. [–]formerwomble 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (3 children), and Kaiser Wilhelm, that was less than 100 years ago. According to the game, Marcus wandered the Wasteland after the Master's defeat until he found a Brotherhood of Steel soldier named Jacob. This. The earliest members of the Legion learned how to pronounce Latin terms directly from Caesar. No more do we need to take the letter choice primarily from context, but now, as we limit the alphabet (hah, Greek vs. Latin humor) to fewer letters, we only have one option to correctly transliterate, simplifying all of the proceeding steps in translation. :D I'm genuinely curious, cause I need more stuff to use! So full his name written in Ancient Latin is "Caius Iulius Caii filius Caii nepos Caesar" right? [–]IckyChris 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago* (3 children). In the year 2246, the Followers of the Apocalypse sent a group of nine members to the Arizona wastelands to study the region’s tribal languages. This is because a late writer, Martianus Capella, tells us that he loathed the letter Z (De nuptiis 3.261: "Z vero idcirco Appius Claudius detestatur quod dentes mortui dum exprimitur imitatur"), and this raises the possibility that he was responsible for ousting Z from its position as 7th letter of the alphabet; G could well have taken its place straightaway. c - kit. Besides, Caesar is more interested in New Vegas than Hoover Dam, and he could let them rot for years while he annexed the rest of the country. [–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children). Reputation image from Fallout: New Vegas. Stuyvesant, The Pronunciation of Greek and Latin. I do not know why the name Caius changed to Gaius exactly, but the letter G was definitely a thing well before Caesar. I thought they were channeling the Germans (e.g. The Pax Romana (Latin for "Roman Peace") is a roughly 200-year-long period in Roman history which is identified with increased and sustained inner hegemonial peace and stability (though not meaning without wars, expansion and revolts).It is traditionally dated as commencing from the accession of Caesar Augustus, … A page for describing Headscratchers: Fallout: New Vegas Archive 1. The name “Caesar” actually is pronounced “Kye-sar.”. [–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children). They actually pronounce all of their Latin correctly. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I just started playing Fallout nv, and noticed that some npcs pronounce caesar as "seezur" (thats how it is supposed to be pronounced right? Hanukkah, despite being a relatively minor Jewish holiday (indeed it is a festival, not a holy day), has, in the broader culture, become "Jewish Christmas," even though religiously it's not nearly as important as Christmas. Also, not how the i sound isn't "eee" but "ih" as in, "bit". Also, the J didn't technically exist yet. This is a very scholarly work and is designed for linguists. Of course, I guess that necessitates knowing how the Greek was pronounced too. Fallout long passed this stage, even at the time of part 1. Thanks -- I figured there had to be some truth to both ways. [+]atmdk7 comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points 7 years ago (0 children), [–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (12 children). These indications are confirmed by [other] notices, which do not attest the letter G before Carvilius' time. How do you pronounce Caesar? It's always hard. Besides, Caesar is more interested in New Vegas than Hoover Dam, and he could let them rot for years while he annexed the rest of the country. That's how everyone I heard pronounces it. Ultimately the highest level of command, Caesar (or taking from the original Roman Empire - Emperor) is in direct control over the whole Legion and its activities. use the following search parameters to narrow your results: Our flaired users have detailed knowledge of their historical specialty and a proven record of excellent contributions to /r/AskHistorians. [–]CelebrethModerator | Roman Social and Economic History 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child), The Wikipedia article might explain this better than I can :) For me, "Modern" is anything past the use in the Roman Empire (Vulgar/Classical is Roman, past that is everything from Ecclesiastical to "New Latin" to "Contemporary Latin", [–]talondeargLate Antique Christianity 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children). [–]Nema_K 10Answer Link0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children), The letters ae, when next to each other in Latin make an i sound. I always thought Caesar was pronounced See-zer. But there are cases of those that are educated in Latin, like Arcade Gannon, who pronounce it with a 'k' sound and don't necessarily respect him. It NEVER makes an S sound, or a CH sound for that matter. Most westerners tend to disregard the ERE. You would think the Conqueror of 86 … urbs, for example, means "city" in Latin, but was actually pronounced "urps". e - mate It probably wasn't something they enunciated everytime, so it was probably pronounced like guy-us anyway. I think it's pretty cool they took that aspect into account. Why were there no Jews in England until after the Norman Conquest? Kai-sar is the Classical Latin way of pronouncing it so it's the way members of Caesar's Legion will say it. Though he was intelligent and charismatic, the narcissistic and petulant … They stick out like a panther in the Arctic. and cites some 19th century sources to reject Jordan. However, when I played the DLC in Zion (Can't remember it's name. [–]AgentFransis 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children). o - boat European languages. Still, I apologize if I missed it. g - gas. [–]CelebrethModerator | Roman Social and Economic History 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child), Do you have a source on this? Also, despite some rumors floating around the Mojave, mostly between NCR citizens, they are very homophobic, punishing homosexuality with death, if what Jimmy says is true. I started calling him seizure when I learned he was having them. Did "Fallout: New Vegas" get the pronunciation of "Caesar" right? The correct pronunciation for a Latin word would be the Latin pronunciation. Since the legion tries to mimic the Romans, they pronounce the name in the Latin style. Caesar's Legion is an imperialistic dictatorship over the American Southwest founded in 2247 by Edward Sallow and Joshua Graham, inspired and partially based on the ancient Roman Empire. Personally loved the different enunciation! The choices they made on which Greek letters would be used to translate Roman place names, for example, could reveal the way the word was supposed to have been pronounced. Spelling mistakes were a good way. [–]shniken 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child), So Gaius is three syllables? The Japanese character Atom (aka Astro Boy) was nuclear powered and debuted in 1951. No new entries ever enter, no entries ever leave. How was the DDR army intergrated in the Bundeswehr? "Carvilius [2]" opts for him (but gives the wrong reference); but s.v. a - father (a "long" A sound) The GRF editor, Funaioli, comments, haec indicia a titulis confirmantur, qui G litteram ante Carvilii aetatem non praebent. Feature posts are posted weekly. He uses classical Latin pronunciation, so they did, too, then passed it on to everyone else in the Legion. u - mutt Though it probably won't be necessary. o - not And let's not forget about how the Classical "V" was pronounced as our W (when used as the initial consonant - otherwise as our "U"). Fallout New Vegas community and everything related. I think after HRE fell...I don't believe there was a legitimate successor. The other possible terminus, as implied by Funaioli above, is Appius Claudius Caecus, active ca. [–]shniken 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children). I don't mind them if I'm right -- I also do 24-hour time and DD-MM date (in America). Thanks. Ah, right. More on that later. Rather ironic, when you consider the society Caesar's … (I was saying it like in Battlestar), [–]sje46 -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (0 children). ), while some pronounce it as "kaisar". The Fallout New Vegas Game Guide also says that they're racist against ghouls and super mutants. Funny how we have things like Google and Wikipedia and we don't just look up every little thing we wonder. The current rotation is: and join one of thousands of communities. I do not know how you got that idea. We know it was pronounced that way because of graffiti and stuff saying "urps" all over the place. Jordan has wanted to assign this change in the letter, which took its place from Z in the Latin alphabet, to Appius Claudius [Caecus]; but this is not certain. Just to be "that guy": isn't it "Weh-nie", not "wee-nie"? Unfortunately most of these works are lost. [–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (2 children). While the other Fallout outings focus on grand, large institutions, such as the military and the government, New Vegas also looks at … j - yoyo. Also, I bring up Russia because the Russian Empire's supposed to claim to succession was post-Byzantium. The New Pauly s.v. - the graffiti that says “toss my salad Caesar!” - the fact the legion pronounce “ave, true to Caesar” correctly - the fact you can “try out” FISTO - cliff briscoes apartment being FULL of dinky the t-Rex’s - how fucking cool the NCR rangers look - the Riot gear you can get in lonesome road - mr New Vegas’s voice [–]gingerkid1234Jewish Studies 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children). That's quite interesting, really. I always forget that because the languages in my area of study tend to only have been written about centuries after they information is really interesting. Ah, I was wondering what Kaiser meant, but never enough to look it up. This always makes a Y sound, as it does in a bunch of (most?) Caesar specifically created the Legion so it could conquer and carefully absorb other groups into it. filius = son of Caii==Caius, nepos == grandson of. I believe they've been finding "successors" to the Roman Empire for some time now, with the Frankish Realm being the first "true" successor and then the Russian Empire at some point, although The Vatican, I believe, recognized the Holy Roman Empire. Paper will rot away, and even computer servers are not immune to natural disasters, or good old wind+rain wearing it down. [–]sje46 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (4 children). There were grammarians, and books on proper orthography and on the use of rheotoric. Kai as in the first part of "Kite" and Sahr as in the first part of "Sorry.". Big MT or Big Empty) since before the Great War. From nearly the beginning, players are informed of an inevitable battle between the New California Republic and Caesar’s Legion at Hoover Dam. The source for this is Terentius Scaurus, De orthographia p. 15,16 Keil: "...a Spurio Carvilio novam formam G litterae propositam". I know someone who pronounced "The Burned Man" as "Joshua Graham". Haha yeah, I was just thinking that. I'm a bit iffy on that. Later, Terentianus Maurus actually wrote a poem about letters and syllables. It is derived from “Caelum” for “sky” or “heavens.”. The continuity of the Roman Empire, at least legally, confuses me extremely. You would think the Conqueror … People outside of Legion territories pronounce those names and terms as most Americans would. The only other secondary reading I can find on the subject is W. M. Lindsay, The Latin Language: An Historical Account... (1894), pp. a - about Well, beyond the "Walmart of health care providers." That's how everyone I heard pronounces it. Please Subscribe to our Google Calendar for Upcoming AMAs and Events. (just), [–]BernarditoModerator | Modern Guerrilla | Counterinsurgency 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child), [–]HaroldSax -3 points-2 points-1 points 7 years ago* (6 children). Is there a reason you're not mentioning the Byzantines? I can not remember the samples this kind of relationship at all before the New Vegas. people involved with the old world would say it how it's popularized in modern times, legionnaires use kaiser because they've been raised to romanticize their fascist overlord, It's actually because Kaisar is the Classical Latin pronunciation of Caesar, and the legion pronounce Latin words excellently, they even pronounce V's as a W in modern English. What do you mean by 'modern Latin'? [–]BrutalJones 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (4 children). I always thought Caesar was pronounced See-zer. Replaces the game's veterancy icons with helmets of Caesar's Legion (pronunciation according to taste) in Fallout: New Vegas. < Fallout: New Vegas‎ | Headscratchers. They’re a huge, warlike tribe that attempt to embody the characteristics of a Roman legion, meaning leather tunics, little skirts and ferocious disciple- drugs, and as far as I can tell, jokes, are banned. Now, I didn't think much of it by the end of the game, as almost eeeeveryone pronounced it in the latter way. However, the majority of the people in FONV pronounse it as something like "Kai-sar". (Funny that the characters in … © 2020 reddit inc. All rights reserved. Which with a modern Latin Alphabet would be: Gaius Julius Caesar. "Caesar" was pronounced "Ki-sar" with the I being like "kite" and the A being like "a"bout. Seemed like a great facet to the character development that had been added. Both would be pronounced in ancient Latin as: GUY-US YOU-lee-US Kai-Sahr, [–]sje46 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children). "scio", from which we get "science" is pronounced "skeeo" Not long into their travels, the group was captured by the Blackfoot tribe and held for ransom.At the time, the tribe warred ag… Fallout: New Vegas is the outlier of the modern Fallouts.While it shares the same alternate-history and wasteland of Fallout 3, 4, and even 76, thematically, it is a world apart.. And thus, "Veni, Vidi, Vici" sounded like, "Weenie, Widdy, Wiky". This is your second worthless comment in a row. So I've been saying Kai-Sahr like they say in Fallout: New Vegas, and I've been catching weird looks. ", [–]Ell975 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child), [–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children), [–]CelebrethModerator | Roman Social and Economic History 480Answer Link47 points48 points49 points 7 years ago (26 children), You can pronounce it both ways and have it technically correct :) In modern Latin, the "C" and the "G" sounds are quiet - "SEE-zar" and "GUY-us" and "Mass-eh-doe-nee-ah." The edgy 14 year old faction witch plays a major role in fallout: new vegas This is Headscratcher Vault 1. Since the printing press it's not like we've had a shortage of dictionaries full of IPA, is it? It's explained, at some point, that the Romans didn't have a soft C, that all C's were hard like a K; that the Ae letter is pronounced like a long I; and that the S is hard. Anyway, that's not actually attested, but it does seem to be in the period 320-250 or so that G replaced Z. In English, people pronounce the C in his name like an S. In Latin, however, which is where the name comes from, all the C's are hard, and "ae" makes an "aye" sound. Intended for use with the Old World Bl... Jozef's OWB NCR Veterancy Icons How varied were Japanese post-WWII attitudes towards nuclear weapons and nuclear power? A fairly recurring event in Greek history seems to be the killing of ambassadors or messengers by the receiving city. I never questioned it while I was watching, but the dual pronunciation of "Caesar" in the computer roleplaying game "Fallout: New Vegas" got me looking it up, and apparently pronouncing the name "See-zer" is a recent invention; in Julius Caesar's day, the name was actually pronounced "Kai-sahr". 5 Facts about Caesar's Legion, the brutal slaver legion that threatens to take over New Vegas. Jacob was intolerant of mutants and because of this Marcus and Jacob fought for a long time. So his condensed name is: Caius Iulius Casesar. It first seem like Fridge Logic since he is supposed to be extremely charismatic and also possess very high … Surprisingly, Caesar has a level of respect for Aaron Kimball, calling him "a man of … Is it true that the Americas had very few tin deposits. Why do different npcs pronounce it differently? How would the city that sent the ambassadors know that they had been murdered? He received a free education from the Followers and eventually became a scribe, specializing in anthropology and linguistics. [–]atmdk7 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (2 children). [–]BernarditoModerator | Modern Guerrilla | Counterinsurgency 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children). Caesar is one of the characters that the player must eat in order to earn the Meat of Championsperk. "C." it opts for Appius. REDDIT and the ALIEN Logo are registered trademarks of reddit inc. π Rendered by PID 18461 on r2-app-077f8e0ed05fa344f at 2020-12-12 17:57:32.904213+00:00 running 85e58d4 country code: BR. [–]toastymow 310Answer Link30 points31 points32 points 7 years ago (19 children). I hope you don't mind that I omitted to hunt this down for you! When Marcus and Jacob both realized that their efforts were going to waste, they became friends and co-founded the town of Broken Hills (which sits on a uranium mine) with the hel… If you take a look at Caesar's SPECIAL stats you will find out that he only ranks 4 in both charisma and intelligence. He's presumably talking about the Western Roman Empire. Ecclesiastical pronounciation? This always made a W sound, never v. U and J didn't exist. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy. u - duty. That's what wikipedia says. Also, in the case of Latin, a number of Romans wrote about its pronunciation. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/urbs#Pronunciation, [–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (3 children). I was a designer on Icewind Dale I & II, Neverwinter Nights II, and directed Fallout: New Vegas and Pillars of Eternity I & II. It's actually surprisingly my problem with the legion and sexism. Fallout: New Vegas/Headscratchers/Archive 1. When he was two years old, he and his mother fled the Boneyard when raiders killed his father, eventually finding sanctuary with the Followers of the Apocalypse in 2231. Press J to jump to the feed. Also keisar is the word for emperor. M. Terentius Varro, a contemporary of Cicero, wrote a treatise on pronunciation, but only six books of his De lingua latina libri XXV even partially survive. There's kaiser rolls and the Red Hot Chili Peppers lyric, "How come everybody wanna keep it like the kaiser?" The comparative method, which looks at how languages evolved to go backwards and figure out how they were. The romans put the stress on the penult (second to last) unless the penult is a "light" syllable, in which case it goes on the antepenult (third to last). The letter G was introduced to the Roman alphabet in the 3rd century BC, not AD. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Why didn't the British elite who lived in India develop their own distinct accent? Get an ad-free experience with special benefits, and directly support Reddit. 320-280 BCE. e - fed 5-6, which is rather older than I'd like, but sums up the above and provides some more info. [–]gingerkid1234Jewish Studies 17 points18 points19 points 7 years ago (2 children), [–]pendrak 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (1 child). I was so happy first time I heard their 'v's. Discussion of Latin pronunciation can also be found in the rheotorical works of Quintillian and Cicero himself. Kaiser Wilhelm) and The Nazis. This article is within the scope of the Fallout: New Vegas dialogue project.This project is designed to allow users to link to pages containing a character's dialogue for simpler and cleaner references by sorting through, cleaning up and categorizing quotes from every major character in Fallout: New Vegas..If you want to … Moderator | Modern Guerrilla | Counterinsurgency, Moderator | Ancient Greece | Ancient Near East, Moderator | Roman Social and Economic History, Moderator | Post-Napoleonic Warfare & Small Arms | Dueling, Moderator | Shipbuilding and Logistics | British Navy 1770-1830, Moderator | Medieval & Earliest Modern Europe. If people get depopulated through war/disease to a point where there's only enough people for self-subsistence, then there will be nobody to perform maintenance on all that data. [–]Xciv 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children), Haha imagine future scholars examining children's scribblings to decode that we pronounced "knight" as "nite", [–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child). Similar to C, it never makes a J sound. Both the letters had a vowel use and a consonant use, like "fly" and "you" with Y. I'm just wondering if a Roman during the time of Caesar (any Caesar, but I suppose Julius if it matters which one) would have said "See-zer," or "Kai-sahr.". For Fallout: New Vegas on the Xbox 360, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Why do some people pronounce "caesar" as "kaizar"". Think of them similar to Y in English. How Did Soldiers Handle the Noise of Combat During the World Wars? Stress was on the first syllable. The Story of Fallout New Vegas Part 9: Render Unto Caesar - The Story of Caesar's Legion. [–]Aurevir 20 points21 points22 points 7 years ago (11 children). Rendered by PID 18461 on r2-app-077f8e0ed05fa344f at 2020-12-12 17:57:32.904213+00:00 running 85e58d4 country code: BR. Forgive me if the phonetics are a bit off, I've never been TOO fantastic with those, but you get the point ;), So a contemporary Roman would have said "KAI-us" (or KAY-us) "YOO-lee-us" "KAI-sahr. Most modern latin writing uses V's for consonantal use but not always Js. I always just assumed that The Legion was butchering all their pronunciations because they had no other sources of history in the wastes and all they had to go by was phonetics from the spelling. I'm quite familiar with Latin and its history, but I would never have used the label 'Modern' to describe any period of Latin or Latin pronunciation, which is why I asked. Godzilla debuted in 1954 and was largely regarded as a metaphor for the nuclear weapons. I guess there's something to be said about not knowing everything. ), while some pronounce it as "kaisar". 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