@darthduelist9: caught them off guard? She tried to pull back but it was too late. Bane's accolade is irrelevant to anyone who came after him, including Palpatine's apprentices, who were admittedly unable to succeed him, which can be partially attributed to their potential anyway, but that still doesn't mean they didn't benefit from that knowledge. That's why they exchanged some short dialogue before fighting. Filoni: I think wandering is exactly correct. A shimmering purple cocoon of dark side energy enveloped Bane, a fragile shell holding back a storm of pure power. @wollfmyth209: Lol at hidding behind DMB :D With all respect but I wouldn't either respond to that amount of text, it's mostly listing feats over and over again which is getting tiresome. And in regards to Force lightning, Bane at the very beginning of his orbalisk infestation before he began to seriously draw upon the orbalisks for power unleashed a Force storm that disintegrated two people and reduced a drexl to a charred husk. It loomed above him, a giant blast door without handles, hinges, or a visible control panel. Then on top of this fact, despite the apparently insane amount of knowledge Dooku got from the Jedi order and after a decade of training under Sidious, Dooku still found the holocron of Andeddu to possess useful enough knowledge to make him notable more powerful, while aside from essence transfer Bane already knew everything in the holocron and considered it basic rudimentary knowledge. He understood that the crushing victory he sought would only come through patience-a virtue not normally encouraged in followers of the dark side. Who would vanquish the other? Well, he (Sidious) shouldn't have gotten himself in a position of getting his apprentice killed anyways. But instead of rushing in to finish him off, the assassins simply stood their ground. Even via hologram, the flickering figure of Darth Sidious, hideous in blue and shadows, seemed to strip his false youth away, leaving his bones brittle, his joints worn thin and knotted with tension. Handling the lightsaber with her right hand, she snapped off several shots with the blaster gripped in her left. Therefore, I am going to say Maul, because I do not know any powerful Bane feats (people who know more about Bane, correct me if I am wrong and give me examples of his powerful feats.). Revan was an extremely powerful Sith Lord and Jedi Knight. @wollfmyth209: Oops, I was beginning to write before seeing that. So again, banite scaling does not necessarily denote a consistent increase in single combat ability, let alone a significant one from one generation to the next. But, due to my argument above, I believe the extent of growth, from one generation to the next, is grossly overestimated on these forums. And we have entire generations of Sith during the 1000 year republic that where not even mentioned- we have no idea how the former dispatched the latter. Darth Maul lml. The implications of this possibility made Maul catch his breath. Through the Force, he could feel nearly the entire Jedi order gathered in the lecture hall, waiting to learn why he had summoned them. @banthabot: Aurra Sing caught both off guard and still went on the run so no it's not comparable to dominating the duo with ease. Maul is trained as an assassin, a duelist, his knowledge of the Dark Side, while impressive, isn't as complete as Bane's. It was one of many talents, and he had worked to develop them all equally. While exploring one of the most recent tombs he'd found himself surrounded by a dozen tuk'ata, a pack twice the size of the first. Dooku could only shake his head in awe. His understanding of the dark side had evolved. Darth Maul Vs. Darth Bane VersionsDarth Maul as of Son of Dathomir.Darth Bane as of Dynasty of Evil.RulesStandard gear, No Orbalisk armor for Bane.Mo she shouted now that she had put some distance between them. Martially they are comparable, but in the force Bane is far superior in my opinion. And there were over a thousand Sith Lords participating in the Thought Bomb ritual. Gathering his power, he placed his left palm against the surface. It is based on lines of logic that have never been substantiated through demonstrated effect (Maul and Dooku don't have Force feats on par with Bane's, and as far as known and demonstrated knowledge goes Bane pulls ahead there, and there is also evidence to the contrary in this method of arguing the scaling as there is evidence for Bane being more learned than Dooku via how they reacted to Andeddu's holocron), comparison with the end of the Banite line (it can't be argued that Maul or Dooku pull ahead of Bane based on how far ahead of Bane Sidious would be since Sidious has literally rekt Maul and Dooku before with no difficulty and is hilariously beyond them, and considering how terrified of Sidious Dooku was and how unimpressed with Maul's efforts Sidious was in TCW compared with how even the end of the Banite line considered Bane's power legendary, there is again evidence to the contrary), or even substantiation of the most necessary piece of evidence for that line of logic to work (Maul and Dooku never overthrew their master or even approached being on par with him and there is no confirmation Sidious shared the entire Sith archives with them, in fact Sidious viewing them as being even less than what Plagueis viewed him as at a time when Plagueis was withholding considerable information from Sidious despite a longer period of apprenticeship than any of Sidious's apprentices and a further progression in Sidious's training than any of his apprentices ever reached). I think he can partially be scalled, but overall he isn't as knowledgable as Bane or as well trained(even if his master is infinitely better than Bane). Aurra used the same tactic against J'mikel, Aurra uses a surprise Force attack against Sharad Hett, Aurra uses a blaster yet again against Laranth Tarek. Kicking someone is hardly stomping them, especially when they have no lasting injury. Time and again he had to pull back to keep from lunging through an opening presented by his enemy's increasingly desperate assault. She stomped Obi-wan in literally two panels and then proceeded to stalemate/push back Jinn. That creature, Savage Opress, is growing stronger andstronger as each day passes. @shootingnova@i_like_swords@dadivineking@wollfmyth209@greysentinel365@emperor339@emperordmb@darthduelist9@banthabot@wolfrazer@thevivas@brightsteel@azronger@darkdefender. The ground was littered with debris and marred by dozens of still-smoldering black scorch marks Zannah recognized as the remnants of a terrible storm of unnatural lightning. ", "Luke, you look like you've been hanging out in wampa caves again," Mara said. Echani battles are fought several minutes in advance - in many ways, it is much like the game of dejarik played in the core systems. Plus, while Palpatine did see him as a potential successor, he has yet to teach him quite a lot of secrets of the Dark Side. If anything, I actually think Maul has more grunt and would probably take sabers, but Bane is the more knowledgeable and experienced (and overall masterful) with the Force - I see him winning that one. Like many of the ancient Sith, he was cruel, arrogant, self-centered, and shortsighted. He had delved deep into Andeddu's Holocron, accomplishing in less than a week what would have taken others months or even years. It is the way of the Echani to be able to read their opponents - to know where an opponent is going to strike before it connects, anticipate it, and then strike against them. So I actually wrote a history of it and what goes on there a thousand years ago - which explains the stone figures, and the temple, and all the mechanism you see there. @brightsteel: Absolutely, it's way to long for me. That enemy vanquished, he used the Force to disintegrate two more advancing technobeasts, then felt something bump against his foot. It just seems really speculation based unlike the matches where we can draw comparisons on how Maul faired against X character compared to Vader or whatever. Some say Maul was stomping them both, others say they were too much for them. Versus Series Darth Bane VS Darth KraytI don't own the movie footage in this, Star Wars is owned by Lucasfilm, Fox, and Disney. What happened on Coruscant was meant to happen, but I take consolation in the fact that the events have shaped you into a true Sith Lord. Let's be real here Duelist, it's because you can't respond to it, so you're offering stupid excuses as to why you're not to make it seem like you're still better. @mysterymeat: If you can’t scale them to each other due to them being from different eras, then you have to look at their feats and compare them that way. Local Business. @zapan871: But there's a massive difference between Maul and Bane's training. He never slept, but rested his mind from time to time through meditation. Download. Source : The Clone Wars: Season 4 Episode 21. My comment was referring to that "Why" of yours, tho. For example with Banes fight with Zannah, he himself admitted that it could go either way, that they were in fact too evenly matched to call. But yes she did run away which is why this is a showing below that of Darth Maul. And this is very important considering the fact that Plagueis trained Sidious substantially longer than Sidious trained any of his apprentices, Sidious had advanced to a greater point than they had, and Sidious had taken part in greater manipulations of the Force and applications of knowledge and power than any of his apprentices in his time under Plagueis (shifting the balance of the Force with a ritual and whatnot), with even his early training at Plagueis's hands being just as brutal if not more so than Maul's training under him. This is my argument against Maul being afforded an automatic win via banite scaling, which I image will be the crux of the argument for most people who support Maul: No Maul doesn't scale far above Bane, you haven't provided any evidence of this other than just saying it and saying 'banite' even though Maul doesn't scale on par to the banite Sith lords of his time. Become a Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/starwarsreadingclubLooking for Star Wars books? Again I refer to Plagueis's statements that very few Sith actually followed Banes rules. Regardless, that's a skill feat for Aurra, not for Bane. @thebluedragon20: in that case, maul wins. Duelist said the duo fight made Maul superior and that particular point is what I was fighting. I actually agree, but I want to know other people's thoughts on this and how they scale Maul. He's more knowledgable, more powerful and while he doesn't have quite the same amount of training, his technical and combative skill honestly shouldn't be behind Maul at all. Aurra Sing is the last character you can use as a measurement for anything, she isn't even using lightsabers in the actual canon anymore. Just because Dooku and Maul have shown less knowledge it doesn't mean they are inferior to Bane in that regard, otherwise even mere dark side adepts would be better than them, so the knowledge scaling is still there, even if you argue Rot powerscaling doesn't apply to them. When the pack finally broke and fled, only four of the twelve tuk'ata still lived. In creating the Rule of Two, he had ushered in a new era for the Sith.He had transcended the limited understanding of men like Andeddu, and he was done listening to the gatekeeper's ignorant litany. Physically, the Count's age was rarely a handicap. Then in regards to Dooku and how much knowledge he got, Dooku was still noticeably amazed and empowered by the knowledge he gleaned from Andeddu's holocron while Bane already knew everything inside of Andeddu's holocron with the exception of essence transfer and he considered the holocron rudimentary basic knowledge most of which he had learned at the academy. I don't believe the Rule of two Sith meant that Sith got linearly more powerful. Per ovviare al problema dei conflitti i… Brute strength or mastery of craft. Although his only major appearance in the movies was in The Phantom Menace, Darth Maul left a lasting impression on audiences. First of all I would like to see the quote of that. Fictional Character. He'd come in hard and fast, expecting to end their battle quickly. So, Maul's knowledge about Malachor and the Sith temple comes from his pre-TPM trainings, it's not something he learned after post-RotS. Also I’ll also just paste my banite argument from the Jinn vs Bane debate here as well, as this is why I imagine ReaperAce made this matchup and why I was tagged (due to our debate on there). His strike was turned aside at the last second, but he quickly followed it up with another series of powerful thrusts and stabs. In Rule of Two during the tail end of his orbalisk infestation, Bane exploded a massive 30 meter by 20 meter blast door with telekinesis and disintegrated a dozen technobeasts with a single force push, and after losing his orbalisks at the end of Rule of Two while too weak to stand, Bane would've been capable of snapping ROT Zannah's neck with the Force. Ever since Darth Maul revealed his double-bladed lightsaber in Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace, people have debated if the Sith Lord was more powerful than the Star Wars saga's ultimate villain, Darth Vader. Then the other half of this argument that doesn't work is the implication that there is some parity between Maul/Dooku and the end of the Banite line, which clearly isn't the case given how casually Sidious has handled both of them before and the mountain of quotes confirming the vast extent to which Sidious is beyond his apprentices. Watch Queue Queue. He must have slipped into unconsciousness as his body went into shock from the unbearable pain. I would say that Banes most powerful force feat is probably the destruction of the temple, but most of his feats are performed on Nexuses and while they are impressive, they are not vastly above any of Mauls. The answers are in the post. ―Star Wars: Coruscant Nights II: Street of Shadows, Aurra uses her boot knife against Jacen Solo. The lightning had reduced his clothes to ash, and his gloves and boots had melted away. In fact, Dooku received a holoprojector containing mystic teachings immediately after becoming a Sith: After Dooku pledged himself to the Sith and became Darth Tyranus, Darth Sidious supplied him with a holoprojector and cells containing mystic teachings of shadowy power. And as for his influence over the Force ; Yoda : Feel the disturbance in the Force, do you ? Zannah was tossed ten meters farther, landing hard on the stone floor. Nihilus giunse con la sua nave e consumò il pianeta, uccidendo quasi tutti gli Jedi e gli abitanti nativi, i Miraluka. "And we shouldn't try," Jacen replied. Darth Maul and Cad Bane. Again, this was just after he became Tyranus. I've been debating in favor of Bane for three years now, and quite frankly the argument that Bane should be downscaled from the point his showings would otherwise put him at due to Rule of Two scaling is one of the most irritating, least substantiated, and most reaching arguments for Bane's inferiority to people who don't even get proper Rule of Two scaling that I have ever heard. She can fight however she wants to fight, I could hardly care less about it. Additionally, Bane has equal or better Speed and Force feats than Maul, and in terms of skill, I consider his performance against Tas’im slightly better than losing to an elderly Jinn and vastly pre-prime Kenobi. Count Dooku : I foresee we will do great things together, I shall teach you the ways of the Dark Side. Regardless the entire point of me bringing that up was to say if you are putting Maul above Bane because of his showing against the duo then logically the same should be done for Aurra, except no one in their right minds would make a claim that Aurra is superior to Bane. This was about halfway through the line and would've knocked the power growth of the Sith back a step. The exterior walls rose up thirty meters above the ground, and the only entrance appeared to be a massive, twenty-meter-wide gate on the face of the front wall. The other story was what the heck happened on Malachor? And the OP asked "Why Bane wins" and "Why can't Maul he scaled". As he fell to the ground, Zannah turned her attention to Bane on the far side of the room. Mighella attempts to use an energized sword to stop Darth Maul, then surprises him with a burst of Force Lightning. The idea that anything smaller than a bantha could withstand a direct hit from a force pike set to maximum charge-let alone five pikes at the same time-was inconceivable. Bane goes out of his way throughout his training to find arcane, unorthodox Sith lore and learn as much as he can. A second later the rest of the roof caved in, drowning out the Twi'lek's dying screams with a deafening rumble. 2. '', Which means nothing for the post-Bane Sith Lords.... ;). His hands would stop shaking and he would be dry inside and tight: dry and tight and empty as a drum, just a drum for Darth Sidious to play. Several of the parasites on his chest and stomach hadn't survived, their brown shells turned black and brittle by the lightning's electrical charge. 1024x1535 Zannah [III] by AnnieRagnarek on DeviantArt. He said himself that few in the banite line actually followed the rules, many taking their own apprentices before their masters time and not defeating them in a fair fight. Superior physically, superior duelist, superior martial combatant and shouldn't be too far behind in the Force either for that matter. He had moved beyond their teachings. Infine, non mantenendo la promessa fatta … This statement is wrong for several reasons. He would never lose. He could sense his Master's summons in the Force, and he could not resist the beckoning much longer. It was said that, by the end of the war, as many Sith Lords had fallen under her twin blades as had been killed by the thought bomb. The Blademaster continued to give ground, pushed inexorably back by the raging storm of Bane's onslaught. @banthabot: No Aurra Sing's feat isn't even remotely comparable to Maul's. As for dueling feats, most of Banes opponents were not that great but the most impressive are probably overwhelming Zhanna, beating Kas Im, and fighting multiple battle meditated amped Jedi (with orbalisk armor). Darth Plagueis who took him as an apprentice, sharing some of his knowledge but withholding his most powerful secrets, denying the apprentice his wishes as a means of controlling him, instilling in him a sense of murderous rage, and turning him to the dark side.” Sidious stood to his full height, glaring. Only in this situation, stooped before the image of his Master, did he feel his years. Filoni: At one point also in the script Maul had actually mentioned to Ezra or Kanan that as a boy he had been brought to this planet. And here Bane is clearly superior in my opinion, I want to say Bane because of how I hold him, but I am unaware of feats Bane has that surpasses Maul's. she shouted, trying to make Bane see reason before he cleaved her in two. . "Then your life ends here." They would all fail the “Throw me the whip!”/”Throw me the idol!” challenge in Raiders of the Lost Ark. Rule of two Sith meant that Sith got linearly more powerful above him, a giant blast door without,. 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